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Readers Defend Van der Kolk

Bessel van der Kolk pic Trauma CenterI had the most comments ever last week, as readers spoke up to defend Dr. Bessel van der Kolk (left) and his ideas about somatic (body) healing for trauma, after the sideswipes against science by the New York Times May 22.  But the comments section got buried under all the footnotes I had to put in my letter to the Times to document their ignorance, so I’m posting the comments here where they’re easy to find.


Barbara Findeisen | June 7, 2014
Thank you, Kathy, you speak for many of us.  Did you see the “60 Minutes” show that Sunday? Most of my friends in the field do not think cognitive (therapy) is the way to go.

Some do. I have a hunch it is because they are afraid of their own trauma and need to be in control. As I am sure you know it an be messy when you are back in that pain and terror.

Kathy | June 8, 2014
Dear Barbara,
I’m grateful for your work on somatic healing and attachment trauma at Star Foundation (www.starfound.org).  A transcript of the May 25 “60 Minutes” show on PTSD is here.  Personally I was horrified by the VA forcing vets to do cognitive talk therapy, retelling their trauma over and over.
Not only Dr. van der Kolk but also somatic therapy experts Dr. Peter A. Levine, Dr. Pat Ogden, Belleruth Naparstek, Janina Fisher, and others with extensive vet experience warn that “just talk” about trauma only makes victims relive the trauma.  So it gets worse.
That’s why I took Dr. Levine’s somatic book “Healing Trauma to my therapist; he’s an attachment expert, but into cognitive talk therapy.  I said: “Sorry you’re not familiar with somatic work, but I got traumatized before I was 3 and had a thinking brain, so the trauma’s baked down into my body parts, where talk and cognition can’t get at it. This book is what we’re going to do.”  Our results were spectacular.  Levine’s results with vets are also spectacular.

Cheryl Sharp | June 9, 2014
While the coverage of van der Kolk’s work looked good on the surface, the innuendos throughout left me feeling that it was more of an attack.

It would have made much more sense for the article to go further and talk about why the way he works with people actually works, such as follow up with Bruce Perry’s work.

Only when people understand how the brain gets stuck and that the only way to that part of the brain is through the body, will they understand that healing and recovery is a real possibility.

Kathy | June 9, 2014
Amen when it comes to healing!  Dr. Bruce Perry, MD, Dr. Dan Siegel, MD, Stephen Porges and show that trauma shuts down higher brain functions like cognition. Instead, body parts and the primitive brain stem get “stuck” repeating bodily feelings from the past trauma events. Without higher brain functions, we can’t put the past trauma events into long-term memory. Instead, our body is reliving the past, now.
Siegel also says trauma memories can get so fragmented that we can’t gather them into a working picture at all; they sit scattered around the nervous system and body.
Perry says  “rhythmic regulation” by body movement can get the brain stem to calm long enough to let the higher brain functions come on line.
The Times ignores all this and repeats Richard McNally’s 2005 insistence that all trauma is remembered — though many said at the time that his work lacked proof. Lisa Najavits called McNally “disappointing… landing too forcefully on one side…by no means an end to the debate.”

Jane | June 9, 2014
Kathy, thanks for this informative post.  Several parents in my online support group have been discussing this very issue – body work to heal trauma – this past week.

Kathy | June 9, 2014
Thank you Jane!  Bruce Perry, Dan Siegel and others show even a normal child’s brain has no capability to remember much from conception to 36 months of age. Memories come in as discrete packets of sensory data from the eyes, ears, nose, etc., and sit in the body and primitive brain stem.
Only when the higher cognitive  functions like the hippocampus kick in around age 3, can we create real long term memory.
But if developmental trauma occurs from conception to 36 months, the primitive brain stem gets so traumatized that it harms the development of the higher brain lobes — which are outgrowths of the brain stem. The hippocampus, our ability to create long term memory, and many other higher brain functions can be badly damaged.
So we physically can not “think our way out” as van der Kolk says.

Rebecca | June 7, 2014
Excellent. Glad you wrote a defense. Have you heard back from them??

Kathy | June 8, 2014
No, nothing yet; frankly I didn’t expect anything.
They’re like King George or Marie Antoinette… They think they are Royalty at The Most Important Newspaper In The World – so they can just print anything they like, and the rest of us peons must cower.
Like I said, I grew up in New York and I’m not impressed.
When Thomas Edison invented the light bulb, they literally wrote an editorial denouncing him as a charlatan. I don’t have a copy of it anymore but maybe you can find it on the internet?


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In Defense of Van der Kolk

Bessel van der Kolk portrait by Matthew WoodsonThe New York Times May 22 spotlighted Dr. Bessel van der Kolk MD’s idea that to change the way we heal a traumatized mind, start with the body (as noted last week). (Van der Kolk portrait by Matthew Woodson for the Times, left.)  But the Times had its own slant, some of it not cricket.

So here’s the letter I wrote to the Times about the gnarly
innuendos they also threw in — against Dr. van der Kolk.
These are innuendo against the science of how the human
organism deals with trauma and how widespread trauma

Some 50% of Americans have insecure attachment trauma
and roughly 50% of us suffer one or more types of Adverse Childhood Experience (ACE) trauma.  But the Times isn’t sounding the alarm about that.  Instead they’re damning the scientists trying to sound the alarm, with faint praise and innuendo.

I grew up in New York; I’m not impressed by Their Majesties.  I don’t care to let the Times’ arrogance stand.

Subject: J. Interlandi 5-22 Van der Kolk feature
From: Kathy Brous   Date: Thursday, May 29, 2014
To: Letters@nytimes.com, “Sheila Glaser” <sfglaser@nytimes.com>
Cc: “Jeneen Interlandi” <jeneeni@yahoo.com>

Re:  “A Revolutionary Approach to Treating PTSD” by Jeneen Interlandi, May 22 New York Times Magazine

Dear Editors,

I appreciate Ms. Interlandi’s  allowing Dr. Bessel van der Kolk the space to explain that “to change the way we heal a traumatized mind, start with the body.” It’s especially true that standard “cognitive” treatments often don’t work, “patients are still suffering, and so are their families. We need to do better,” as van der Kolk says.

Of 208 reader comments, I only found two that didn’t hail his work; the two attacked van der Kolk for stating that “repressed memories” are possible.

But so, in effect, does the Times – and more. Which I found alarming.

“In the 1990s, van der Kolk served as an expert witness in a string of high-profile sexual-abuse cases that centered on the recovery of repressed memories, testifying that it was possible… for victims of extreme or repeated sexual trauma to suppress all memory of that trauma and then recall it years later in therapy,” Ms. Interlandi wrote.

Then, as if seamlessly, she segued into this next sentence: “In the 1980s and ‘90s, people all over the country filed scores of legal cases accusing parents, priests and day care workers of horrific sex crimes, which they claimed to have only just remembered with the help of a therapist… But as the claims grew more outlandish — alien abductions and secret satanic cults — support for the concept waned… Harvard psychologist Richard McNally called the idea of repressed memories ‘the worst catastrophe to befall the mental health field since the lobotomy ‘.”

Bessel website pix vanderKolkportrait1I loathe witch trials; I was alarmed.  Is van der Kolk a butcher?  So I did an extensive internet search, and found zero evidence that van der Kolk personally had anything to do with the fraudulent cases.  Let alone aliens or cults.

Then I realized that the Times doesn’t have a single footnote to show it either. Is it all innuendo?

In my search, the worst van der Kolk’s worst critics could do, was to condemn him for repeating his clinical findings that repressed memories are possible. Period. [1]  Yes it’s horrible that there was a witch hunt in the 1980s-90s. It’s horrible that others distorted van der Kolk’s findings and as a result, innocent people were jailed.

But it’s just as much of a distortion to accuse him of doing the witch hunting. Is Edison responsible for everything ever done under electric lights?

The Times doesn’t report any of that.

The Times also doesn’t report this: since Richard McNally, Elizabeth Loftus and others flatly declared repressed memory to be impossible in 2002-2005, several peer reviewers have concluded that they were (flatly) wrong. The American Psychological Association website now states that while most traumas are remembered, “repressed memories” are also often reported and quite possible — and far more research is needed before anything can be dismissed. [2]

I appreciate Ms. Interlandi for covering trauma and van der Kolk, and at such length. I appreciate she seeks balance. But was that balance?

She also describes a follow-up visit she made to the Iraq vet with PTSD, whom van der Kolk treated using group therapy in the article’s opening passages. She concludes the article by reporting that the vet has no idea whether it worked or not. This leaves readers thinking: “Hmm. Van der Kolk?  His stuff doesn’t work.”

Without any review of what van der Kolk’s actual recovery rate might be?  Why the innuendo?  Where are the facts?

The Times also doesn’t report another key fact: according to Veterans Administration chief PTSD authority Dr. Matthew Friedman and several other studies, only 10-15% of veterans who experience war trauma incidents, come down with enduring full-blown PTSD. The rest heal within a relatively finite period. [3]

Traumatized little boyThe problem is the “invisible elephant” on the national mental health lawn: child trauma.

Child trauma is a topic Dr. van der Kolk discusses constantly, but which the article only mentions in passing, by way of asking whether it can be remembered or not. Yet the ACE Study has already shown that roughly 50% of us suffer one or more types of childhood trauma.

Those 10-15% who get PTSD? They are almost always survivors of some unrelated childhood trauma, which damages memory during brain development, such that yesterday’s events continue to be experienced as today’s events. That means the Iraq vet in the article, who has enduring PTSD, very likely had childhood trauma, a huge topic in itself.  [4]

To address child trauma — and what it would really take to fully heal this vet — would require giving Dr. van der Kolk the space for a whole other article. Which more than 200 of your readers would welcome.

Unless there’s a reason why not?

Unless we instead might have an article by those who allege that van der Kolk promoted the fraudulent cases — if, that is, they can show proof? And please: proof means footnotes and documentation.

Kathy Brous, Dana Point, CA

Footnotes (provided in letter to the Times)

FN1  The False Memory Syndrome Foundation (FMSF) (www.fmsfonline.org), the premier site exposing fraudulent accusations based upon false trauma memory, has dozens of references to Bessel van der Kolk testifying on the science. Yet it never mentions that he supported any particular therapy, therapists, false memories or particular cases at all.  It certainly never connects him to anything to do with aliens or satanic cults.

FN2  The American Psychological Association’s 2007 “Working Group on Investigation of Memories of Child Abuse” presented findings mirroring those of the other professional organizations. The Working Group made five key conclusions:
“1. Controversies regarding adult recollections should not be allowed to obscure the fact that child sexual abuse is a complex and pervasive problem in America that has historically gone unacknowledged;
“2. Most people sexually abused as children remember all or part of what happened to them;
“3. It is possible for memories of abuse that have been forgotten for a long time to be remembered;
“4. It is also possible to construct convincing pseudo-memories for events that never occurred;
“5. There are gaps in our knowledge about the processes that lead to accurate and inaccurate recollections of childhood abuse.”
– Source: Colangelo JJ, “Recovered memory debate revisited: practice implications for mental health counselors,  PRACTICE, Journal of Mental Health Counseling, 2007

The American Psychological Association’s website www.apa.org/topics/trauma/memories.aspx?item=1 currently adds:
“Q: Can a memory be forgotten and then remembered? Can a ‘memory’ be suggested and then remembered as true?
“A: Experts in the field of memory and trauma can provide some answers, but clearly more study and research are needed. What we do know is that both memory researchers and clinicians who work with trauma victims agree that both phenomena occur.
“However, experienced clinical psychologists state that the phenomenon of a recovered memory is rare (e.g., one experienced practitioner reported having a recovered memory arise only once in 20 years of practice). Also, although laboratory studies have shown that memory is often inaccurate and can be influenced by outside factors, memory research usually takes place either in a laboratory or everyday setting. For ethical reasons, researchers do not subject people to a traumatic event to test their memory. Because it has not been directly studied, we can not know whether a memory of a traumatic event is encoded and stored differently from a nontraumatic event.
“Some clinicians theorize that children understand and respond to trauma differently from adults. Some furthermore believe that childhood trauma may lead to problems in memory storage and retrieval. These clinicians believe that dissociation is a likely explanation for a memory that was forgotten and later recalled. Dissociation means that a memory is not actually lost, but is for some time unavailable for retrieval. That is, it’s in memory storage, but cannot for some period of time actually be recalled. Some clinicians believe that severe forms of child sexual abuse are especially conducive to negative disturbances of memory such as dissociation or delayed memory. Many clinicians who work with trauma victims believe that this dissociation is a person’s way of sheltering him/herself from the pain of the memory.
“Many researchers argue, however, that there is little or no empirical support for such a theory.”

FN3  “We know that if a hundred people are exposed to a traumatic episode…that most of them will not develop PTSD… The pre-traumatic risk factors are things you really can’t do anything about: whether your parents were well adjusted or had a mental health history, whether you were previously exposed to a disruptive household – your father was an alcoholic or that you were very poor and there was a lot of deprivation, or there was physical or sexual abuse during your childhood.”
– Source: Dr. Matthew Friedman, “Psychological First Aid: Diagnosis and Prevention of PTSD,” June 8, 2011 webcast, National Institute for the Clinical Application of Behavioral Medicine, www.nicabm.com
Dr. Matthew Friedman recently retired from the position of Executive Director and now serves as Senior Advisor at the U. S. Dept. of Veterans Affairs National Center for PTSD. Source: www.ptsd.va.gov/professional/continuing_ed/presenters/matthew-j-fri… [Dated March, 2014]

FN4  “The purpose of this study was to compare rates of childhood abuse in Vietnam veterans with and without combat-related posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD).
“Results: Vietnam veterans with PTSD had higher rates of childhood physical abuse than Vietnam veterans without PTSD (26% versus 7%). The association between childhood abuse and PTSD persisted after controlling for the difference in level of combat exposure between the two groups.
“Conclusions:These findings suggest that patients seeking treatment for combat-related PTSD have higher rates of childhood physical abuse than combat veterans without PTSD. Childhood physical abuse may be an antecedent to the development of combat-related PTSD in Vietnam combat veterans.”
– Source: Bremner JD, Southwick SM, Johnson DR, Yehuda R, Charney DS, “Childhood physical abuse and combat-related posttraumatic stress disorder in Vietnam veterans,”.Am J Psychiatry. 1993 Feb; 150(2):235-9.  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8422073


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“Heal trauma? Start with the body”

Bessel van der Kolk by Matthew Woodson, NYT 5-22-14“Bessel van der Kolk wants to change the way we heal a traumatized mind — by starting with the body,” reports Jeneen Interlandi in the New York Times Magazine May 22. (Dr. van der Kolk in session drawn by Matthew Woodson for the Times.)

It features Dr. van der Kolk’s new approaches to healing trauma by group therapy, yoga, meditation, EMDR, and “rhythmic regulation.”  I’ve reported on this in these recent posts: http://attachmentdisorderhealing.com/developmental-trauma/  and http://attachmentdisorderhealing.com/developmental-trauma-3/

“Trauma has nothing whatsoever to do with cognition,” van der Kolk says. “It has to do with your body being reset to interpret the world as a dangerous place.” That reset begins in the deep recesses of the brain with its most primitive structures (brain stem), regions that, he says, no cognitive therapy (frontal cortex) can access.

“It’s not something you can talk yourself out of.”

It’s a great Friday read: “A Revolutionary Approach to Treating PTSD” by Jeneen Interlandi, New York Times Magazine, May 22, 2014 at: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/25/magazine/a-revolutionary-approach-to-treating-ptsd.html?smid=tw-share&_r=2#permid=11865712

OK, it’s a bit off my topic. The Times doesn’t mention attachment trauma, although van der Kolk talks about that constantly. As to healing, it focuses on adult war PTSD. It only speaks to child trauma by debating what a child abuse victim can and can’t remember (not much of a call to heal child trauma).

But Ms. Interlandi does let van der Kolk speak to his charge that there is a lot more trauma than we think, and that standard “cognitive” treatments are not working. “Patients are still suffering, and so are their families. We need to do better,” van der Kolk says.

“Van der Kolk says he would love to do large-scale studies comparing some of his preferred methods of treatment with some of the more commonly accepted approaches,” she points out. “But funding is nearly impossible to come by for anything outside the mainstream. In the wake of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, he says, he was invited to sit on a handful of expert panels. Money had been designated for therapeutic interventions, and the people in charge of parceling it out wanted to know which treatments to back.

To van der Kolk, it was a golden opportunity. We really don’t know what would help people most, he told the panel members. Why not open it up and fund everything, and not be prejudiced about it? Then we could study the results and really learn something. Instead, the panels recommended two forms of treatment: psychoanalysis and cognitive behavioral therapy.

“So then we sat back and waited for all the patients to show up for analysis and C.B.T. And almost nobody did.” Spencer Eth, then medical director of behavioral health services at St. Vincent’s Hospital in Manhattan, (later) gathered data on the mental-health care provided to more than 10,000 Sept. 11 survivors.

The most popular service by far was acupuncture. Yoga and massage were also in high demand. “Nobody looks at acupuncture academically,” van der Kolk says. “But here are all these people saying that it’s helped them.”

Out of 208 reader comments to the Times, I only found two that weren’t deeply grateful for his approach, as I am.  These two didn’t mention healing either.

Enjoy reading about Dr. van der Kolk today, but read carefully – the Times, ever a bit arrogant, puts in some gnarly innuendos I didn’t like, which the two comments made worse. So I had to do further research on this one.  My results to come next week…

Kathy’s news blogs expand on her book “DON’T TRY THIS AT HOME: The Silent Epidemic of Attachment Disorder—How I accidentally regressed myself back to infancy and healed it all.” Watch for the continuing series each Friday, as she explores her journey of recovery by learning the hard way about Attachment Disorder in adults, adult Attachment Theory, and the Adult Attachment Interview.

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